Interview: American Honda's Ray Blank by dean adams & susan haas
Thursday, April 24, 2008
We stand on the edge of the most controversial and seismic change that AMA roadracing has seen in decades. Daytona Motor Group purchased the AMA roadrace series and will do away with Superbikes as we know them, labeling them 600cc "Daytona Superbikes" instead, and adding control tires and fuel as well. 600 Supersport and Superstock will be gone, although the latter not at the hands of DMG. Superbikes, or what have been known as Superbikes for thirty years, will now be called "Literbikes".
OEM reactionon the record anywayhas been mixed. American Honda's position on these events and their take on the future of AMA racing haven't been fully sussed. I called American Honda's Senior Vice President Ray Blank and asked him for an interview on the state of racing as we know it and his reaction to the interview we did with DMG Colin Fraiser and Bill Syfan, published this week. This is a transcript of that interview. Q You've read the interview with the DMG group. I wonder what your reaction is.
A It's such a difficult issue to unwind, from an OEM perspective, because we see things differently than a promoter will. From a presentation standpoint, I (a) understand what they want to do; (b) think that they may very well be able to build a show; (c) think it could be a fine presentation of motorcycling to the general public. Subsets of that are, I think, are where the discussion really starts. My feeling ... I've got only the presentation that was made at Barber, DMG's presented a motorcycle show. A motorcycle show that I think is made to present to the general public. Not necessarily to the motorcycle enthusiast.
For many years, we have presented motorcycle racing first and foremost based on what a motorcycle enthusiast wants, and we have used our racing programs to focus the presentation of our products to that enthusiast. We, OEMs, race for brand. In racing for brand, we support presentation formats that give all of the OEMs some place to play. And we support rules accordingly, to be able to allow some of the smaller players in - whether they're Ducatis or Buells or whatever. But we have focused on the motorcycle enthusiast, and we have presented what we believe the motorcycle enthusiast wants to see. And I think that the current, soon-to-be-changed, AMA Pro Racing Rules do that.
In presentation to the general public, the other 95% of the people that are out there, DMG is taking a different approach. To the general public, I think you could race almost any kind of motorcycle, and you could attract an audience. Since the universe is so much larger, DMG may be very successful with this approach. But to cut to the chase, what I don't see in the DMG proposal is a place for OEMs. And the analogy that I have felt growing is that I look at today's AMA racing, and I see the NASCAR of old, where it was brand versus brand. It was Ford versus Chevy. It was Smokey Yunick and Pontiacs. That was brand. And then somewhere - the 80s or the 90s or whatever, I don't know what it is, I don't follow NASCAR that closely - NASCAR changed to a focus on driver. When the focus is on the racer, that is different. Certainly, the position that OEMs take in NASCAR is much different today than it was in the 60s and the 70s. That difference, I think, is the difference we're looking at here now, where subordinate to racer and sponsor. And for a sanctioning body, that may very well be the best course to take. Because the rider and his sponsors will supersede brand, every time, in that scenario. That's it in a nutshell.
Q Under this proposal, we're definitely going to see less trick motorcycles. A Well, for the non-enthusiast public, that may be just fine.Q But for the dyed-in-the-wool enthusiast, it's probably not?
"So I see everywhere in racing that the premier class is the biggest, the baddest, the one that everybody knows is probably the toughest to control in a racing situation. I think that's the one everybody wants to see. I think the customer has spoken. I don't really understand when I hear folks say, "Let's let the customer decide." I somehow don't think that, given the option, the customer is going to decide on the smaller displacement bike. Nor do I think that they're going to choose the MotoST format."
A Well, I would agree and I've heard a lot of talk about, "We'll let the customer decide. Let the customer vote with their wallet." Predicting the outcomes of any kind of race like this - or any kind of competition - is probably similar to trying to figure out whether Hillary or Obama is going to win. It's fraught with many, many angles. It would seem to me that enthusiasts, the knowledgeable user, has already voted in this and other countries. Motorcyclists are universally similar in terms of sporting aspects of motorcycle. World Superbike also has a 600cc component, World Supersport, but the premier show is World Superbike. It's the same in Japan, Australia, Canada, everywhere else that I know of. The top of the game is the game is the largest sport machine. MotoGP was 1000, now 800. Subclasses, 250, 125. We look at Supercross, which may be the closest analogy, because in Supercross, we do attract a more general consumer audience. The 450s are the premier class. That's Supercross class. The 250s are called "Lites."
So I see everywhere in racing that the premier class is the biggest, the baddest, the one that everybody knows is probably the toughest to control in a racing situation. I think that's the one everybody wants to see. I think the customer has spoken. I don't really understand when I hear folks say, "Let's let the customer decide." I somehow don't think that, given the option, the customer is going to decide on the smaller displacement bike. Nor do I think that they're going to choose the MotoST format. If a customer has an opportunity to see high-performance sport bikes at their speed and their movement on the track, versus MotoST, I think we're going to have the same problem that we had back in the days of Battle of the Twins. Makes you feel that it's time to get a beer. If the race is three hours long, I would think that that would be a great opportunity for Anheuser-Busch, one long beer break for the crowd.
Q You mentioned the liter bike. Times are challenging in the motorcycle industry right now. How difficult would it be for Honda to enter four bikes in a liter bike class?A Well, it depends on what "enter" means. If it means "Do I have four bikes I can give some guys to let them go ride," I could do that. I've got four bikes here. Q Four competitive liter bikes.A Four competitive liter bikes? It's not in the picture. It really isn't. And I don't know that I'd want to do it. Expense aside, why would we want to spread the focus out across four bikes? I guess I've also heard one of the answers to that is, "Well, they all don't have to be 100 and 17 class." Well, what have they got to be, then? Shall we do one good one and three bad ones, or I got to have a good one and a medium, and two parboils? If we're going to put a top class bike out there, then we want them piloted by top-class riders. If we do that, then we're battling with ourselves. And should I expect that Suzuki, Yamaha and Kawasaki will do the same? The variant possibility of a field like that, on a year-to-year basis, is enormous. I'm in. I'm out. I'm in. I'm out. It doesn't provide any consistency to the racing. And then what happens. I'd love to see Ducati in there. I'd love to see MV Agusta. I think enthusiasts would love to see all the liter bikes in there. I think at Ducati, I don't know that you could find four bikes. It's very expensive. The four bike minimum guarantee just doesn't work for me.Q Sunday afternoon at Barber, a 20-year veteran crew chief of a factory Superbike team confided to me that he felt very hard done by the AMA in all this. And he seemed to be taking it very personally. That after all the years, all the support, all the money, all the flights, all the sacrifice, in the end they "really got screwed by the AMA, and are being cast into a corner". He was clearly very bitter. Can you empathize?
"The AMA abandoned some of the strongest supporters that they had, those being the OEMs."
A Well, sure. You've been coming to the table and your seat for many years. Buying your seat. Supporting the organization. Not only through the contribution that you make financially as a corporate member, but also the time spent. I think that there was a point in time where I was spending some 45 to 50 working days per year at AMA business, when I was on both Pro Racing Board and on the AMA Board. Doing an awful lot of work that Honda paid for. That's not cheap. And there were other companies sitting there doing that. To put on the support, coming to that table and paying for that seat, paying for the opportunity to contribute, and then walking into the room the next day and finding out that not only was your chair gone, but the door was locked. Nobody was very interested in even letting you know why this had happened. And then the next thing, hearing that "here's how the world is going to be".
The AMA abandoned some of the strongest supporters that they had, those being the OEMs. It's interesting, because history tells us that the AMA was originally an OEM organization. It was built around racing. And it was built to bring a fair, even playing field for the manufacturers of the teens and twenties. During the Indian-Harley wars, and all of that. Then the OEMs gave it back over to become a nonprofit organization to support riders' rights, when the time came that that was important, but wanted to maintain the professional racing element. Because as we always said, the biggest thing that we have to sell, the big billboard that the AMA has, to be able to reach the general public, is motorcycle racing. And if we could just do a good job in that presentation, and if we would not fight so much about and and that, we could overcome. But that goes into another story, and you know the inside versus the outside in terms of the Board situation, staff versus Board, and all of that kind of stuff.Q It's difficult to surmise, but Harry Sucher's book on the history of the AMA seems to indicate that each time the AMA has distanced itself from the manufacturers, its gone to the brink of destruction.
A Outside of the members, the OEMs are the AMA's strongest supporterscertainly for selfish reasons, but the strongest supporter of motorcycling there is. Now, I don't think the OEMs have ever been turned away so hard from the AMA before. Things have happened on the battlefield that have turned certain OEMs off.
The OEMs want a strong AMA. We need a strong AMA. If it wasn't for the Government Relations Department, you wouldn't even hear any press releases on how different entities are slamming motorcycling in different parts of the country. On-road, off-road, noise, pollution, whatever. So we want a big, powerful AMA. Is the separation from racing good? I think that if there had not been such a powerful internal core group of staff controllers within the AMA, that pretty much would not do the bidding of the President or the Board, short of that, with a strong Youngblood-class President, racing still could have had a part in the AMA.
Q Hypothetically, how difficult is it to start a new series and association? It seems like the building blocks for all of this are right there in front of everyone at the OEM level. You've got decent cooperation between all the manufacturers with the Motorcycle Industry Council. If you wanted to go further, you've got OEM rider clubs, et cetera, with millions, combined - millions of members. If the manufacturers merged their rider clubs in some way, you'd have an organization which would dwarf the AMA membership over night.A I don't think it would be hard at all. Is there the possibility of a promoter, or a promoter group, whatever, that might come up and say, "We understand that you OEMs don't have a part in this new vision of AMA racing. We understand that there's no place there. We see this alternative for you. Would you like to play here?" I think that if a savvy promoter came to the OEMs with an alternative, and it had all the elements that are necessarywhich are venue, administration, promotion, et cetera, et cetera, the OEMs could say, "Well, I don't really have a place in this other game." Really, when I look at the DMG proposal, I don't have to do anything any more, do I? What do I have to do? I have to make 600cc bikes and sell them to people who will then make them into Daytona Superbikes, I guess. I'm not going to do it. If a promoter came and said, "How about this and this and this and this?" I might say, "Yeah, I'll play." And then maybe somebody else would do the same thing.